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SPACE Digest                                     Volume 12 : Issue 539

Today's Topics:
         Re: Call for new news group : sci.space.seds
       Re: You Can't Expect a Space Station to be Cheap
              Magellan Update - 11/07/90
            Space Station Work Package #3
             Re: LLNL Astronaut Delivery
             Re: LLNL Astronaut Delivery
              Dr. Robert Zubrin lecture
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Date: 7 Nov 90 17:01:51 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!usc!jarthur!nntp-server.caltech.edu!iago.caltech.edu![e-mail]  (Horowitz, Irwin Kenneth)
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Subject: Re: Call for new news group : sci.space.seds
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (M.S.Bennett  Supvs= Prof Pendry) writes...
>
>SEDS is one of the largest space student organisation in the world- USSEDS was
>founded 10 years ago to put pressure on congress to uncancel a number of
>probe missions - in this it was successful.
>
Just want to clear this up for the record...SEDS WAS NOT formed to put pressure
on Congress to fund certain space probes (our friends in the UK seem to have
this crazy notion, but I know not from where...).  SEDS is a non-profit
organization, and as such is limited to the rules governing such groups in
terms of political lobbying.  What SEDS (which by the way stands for Students
for the Exploration and Development of Space) does is work to promote our goals
through educational activities.  While it is true that the members of SEDS can
become politically involved (as US citizens we all have that right), we can't
really do it as an organization, but simply as individuals.  In fact, in the
past few months, I have written a letter to several congressmen (concerning the
SEI) as well as helped in the reelection campaign of Congressman George Brown
(who appears to have won!).  However, I did this not as a SEDS member, but
rather as a concerned citizen (see the difference, Sean?).
>
>Now SEDS is growing into a multi-national organisation with branches across the
>world (Italy, Tiwan, Canada). We have links with the ISU and Eurasia (the
>European Space student group).
>
>We clearly need some means of giving people an easy mode of access other than
>BITNET mail servers - NEWS would be an excelent method.
>
For anyone who is interested, there are two news groups that are devoted to
SEDS information.  One, called SEDSNEWS, is basically a rehash of much of the
NASA info released on sci.space and sci.space.shuttle (probe and shuttle
updates) as well as some other info of interest.  The other deals mainly with
the internal workings of SEDS as an organization, and has proven extremely
helpful in terms of communications between students at widely scattered
locations.  It is called SEDS-L.  If you are interested in receiving either
of these, please contact me, and I'll forward the instructions on how to sign
up for them.

In the meantime, if ANYONE out there is curious about SEDS, and would like more
info, I'll be more than happy to provide whatever you may need.  We are looking
to expand our organization, and would like to get contacts from interested
high school and college students from around the world!

BTW, I have been a member of SEDS since my freshman year at MIT (1982), and
have had many wonderful experiences due to my involvement with SEDS.  I really
want to make SEDS available to anyone who is interested in humanity's future
in space.
>
>I await your responses, if any - (would that mean you did not object?)
>
>            Yours M.S.Bennett
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Date: 7 Nov 90 17:48:39 GMT
From: van-bc!ubc-cs!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo![e-mail]  (Henry Spencer)
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Subject: Re: You Can't Expect a Space Station to be Cheap
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ron Baalke) writes:
>>???  They've never built a manned spacecraft at all, and as far as I recall
>>offhand they have zero experience in "large platform" work.  Their normal
>>line of work -- unmanned deep-space exploration -- is as far from space
>>stations as you can get and still be in space.
>
>JPL is involved with the Space Station program...

Quite true.  However, they still have zero experience with flying real
manned hardware, which is what this particular branch of the discussion
was about.
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Date: 7 Nov 90 19:21:15 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!mars.jpl.nasa.gov![e-mail]  (Ron Baalke)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA.
Subject: Magellan Update - 11/07/90
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                        MAGELLAN STATUS REPORT
                          November 7, 1990

     The Magellan spacecraft is in good health, but is still in its Superior
Conjunction mode.  After several unsuccessful attempts to upload the series
of commands to re-configure the spacecraft, a decision was made to postpone
the restart of mapping.  Command uploads were attempted at both X and S-band
frequencies.

     Due to the difficulty with getting the spacecraft to accept the
relatively simple configuration commands, it was considered very unlikely that
uploading the longer mapping sequences and parameter files would be
successful.

   The communications problems had been predicted by the DSN (Deep Space
Network) when the Sun-Earth-Magellan angle was less than 2.5 degrees.  During
the approach to Superior Conjunction, no commanding was attempted inside of
2.0 degrees, so it is not surprising that there are problems at yesterday's
1.4 degrees.

     The present plan is to upload the mapping sequence on Friday, November 9,
when the Sun-Earth-Magellan angle is 2.0 degrees.  Execution of the sequence
will begin with orbit #787 at 4:07 AM PST on Saturday, November 10.  If
mapping resumes as now scheduled, the "Superior Conjunction Gap" will include
110 orbits or about 22 degrees of longitude.  This area will be mapped between
June 26 and July 11, 1991 when Magellan again passes over.

     The SAR (Synthetic Aperture Radar) Data Processor produced 8 standard and
one special image swaths yesterday.
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Date: 7 Nov 90 18:03:21 GMT
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Subject: Space Station Work Package #3
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I'm working on a co-op with GE Astro-Space, the contractor chosen to do the wor
k on the APAE ( Attached Payload Accommodations Equipment).  We recieved a stop
 work order from NASA on tuesday and I was wondering if anyone else had heard a
ny more news about his or the status of the other Work Packages?  Email can be
sent to my PSU address.

                                                  Glenn Szydlowski
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In article <[e-mail]>:
>(with one exception, Payloads Systems Inc
>managed to slip through the net and flew an experiment on Mir.   The
>net has subsequently been tightened).

They didn't 'manage to slip through the net'. They followed the correct
procedures in an open and above board manner.

>And US companies and government agencies are not allowed to permit
>Soviet citizens to enter sites where aerospace work is being done.

Reports say that a Soviet Cosmonaut will fly on a Shuttle within
the next couple of years (a US Astronaut will also fly on Mir).

I wonder how we will get the Cosmonaut onto the shuttle without
allowing him onto a site where aerospace work is being done?

>  So you will get your Soyuz and maybe some manuals in Russian.
>But nobody in the west will know how to launch or fly the thing, and
>nobody from the USSR will be allowed to train the US personnel.

The US company operating Cape Your will get extensive training
on Zenit. Your statement here is minsiformed.

>  If you don't believe me, ask the Australian Cape York Space Agency
>what is giving them their biggest headache.....they want to get a US
>company to operate Soviet Zenit launch vehicles, and the US State
>Dept is saying - "forget it !"

Again, you're not up on current events. First of all, the State
Department was an early and strong supporter of Cape York, it was
DoD and Commerce who opposed it.

Second of all, Cape York is a done deal. It will be designed and
operated by a US company.

It's not as hard as it looks.

>But they will still need a $ 2 - 3 B crew shuttle and ACRV, it really
>cannot be done for less, it needs to stand high G, re-entry, etc.
>Non-trivial engineering issues.

You have yet to justify that number. Your last cost estimate for
Titan's was off by a factor of two.

>Artifical gravity is neither necessary, nor helpful, for an Earth orbit
>station, where crews are rotated every 90 days.

True enough. On the other hand, it would be nice if you want to keep
a crew up there for a year or so. Doing this would shave billions off
life cycle costs.

   Allen

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From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!dahm.engin.umich.edu![e-mail]  (Ken Sheppardson)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] ("Allen W. Sherzer") writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>:
>
>>And US companies and government agencies are not allowed to permit
>>Soviet citizens to enter sites where aerospace work is being done.
>
>Reports say that a Soviet Cosmonaut will fly on a Shuttle within
>the next couple of years (a US Astronaut will also fly on Mir).
>
>I wonder how we will get the Cosmonaut onto the shuttle without
>allowing him onto a site where aerospace work is being done?
>

  We recently (last month) had a group of Soviet citizens tour the
  facilities here at Langley. I certainly hope we aren't going to
  start disputing whether or not we here at LaRC are doing 'aerospace
  work' :)


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Date: 7 Nov 90 17:46:09 GMT
From: phoenix![e-mail]  (Marc Wayne Mcconley)
Organization: Princeton University, Princeton, New Jersey
Subject: Dr. Robert Zubrin lecture
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Dr. Robert M. Zubrin, Senior Engineer at Martin Marietta Astronautics,
will give a public presentation at Princeton University on Tuesday,
November 13, at 7:30 pm.  The topic of the presentation will be "Humans
to Mars in 1999!"  Zubrin will discuss an alternative plan for reaching
the goals of the Space Exploration Initiative.

Dr. Zubrin recently spoke at the 1990 International Space Development
Conference, where his presentation received a standing ovation.

Tuesday's lecture is sponsored by the Princeton Planetary Society,
Princeton University's space interest organization and a chapter of the
National Space Society.

The lecture will take place in the auditorium of the McCormick Art
and Archaeology Building on the Princeton University campus.  Admission
is free; parking is available.  For more information, contact PPS
president Audrey Robinson at [phone].

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Marc W. McConley
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Date: 7 Nov 90 17:54:48 GMT
From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo![e-mail]  (Henry Spencer)
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Charles Radley) writes:
>... (with one exception, Payloads Systems Inc
>managed to slip through the net and flew an experiment on Mir.   The
>net has subsequently been tightened).

References please.

They didn't "slip through", they got proper permission for everything
in advance, and as far as I know they're going ahead with their plans
to fly more.  Their payload is protein-crystallization experiments for
drug development, and their comment was that the precautions needed to
keep drug companies' materials secret from other companies far exceeded
what the US government asked for to keep them secret from the Soviets.

They also observed that the Soviets were willing to accept safety
certification from an independent US lab (something that NASA would
never have gone for).  This eliminated any need to tell the Soviets
what was inside the box or permit them to open it.

>  If you don't believe me, ask the Australian Cape York Space Agency
>what is giving them their biggest headache.....they want to get a US
>company to operate Soviet Zenit launch vehicles, and the US State
>Dept is saying - "forget it !"

References please.  United Space Boosters Inc. had their application
to participate approved a couple of months ago, admittedly after some
delay and dithering.
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